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The Magic Mushroom (Psilocybin) Super Thread
Basic information on dosing, quality, how to consume, effects, stories, etc.
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Psilocybin mushrooms (also called psilocybian mushrooms) are fungi that contain the psychedelic substances psilocybin and psilocin, and occasionally other psychoactive tryptamines. There are multiple colloquial terms for psilocybin mushrooms, the most common being Magic Mushrooms or shrooms.

Nearly all of the psilocybin containing mushrooms are small brown or tan mushrooms easily mistakable for any number of non-psychoactive, inedible, or poisonous mushrooms in the wild. This makes them somewhat difficult, and potentially hazardous, to identify. The primary distinguishable feature of most psilocybin containing mushrooms is that they bruise blue when handled.

   
Dose
Recreational doses range from 1-5 grams of dry mushrooms depending on the species and individual strength of the specimens. Dosages for wet mushrooms will be approximately 10 times higher (10-50 grams). Because different species vary in size, the number of mushrooms per gram will also vary.  Dosage of mushrooms containing psilocybin depends on the potency of the mushroom (the total psilocybin and psilocin content of the mushrooms), which varies significantly both between species and within the same species, but is typically around 0.5-2% of the dried weight of the mushroom. A typical dose of the rather common species, Psilocybe cubensis, is approximately 1 to 2 grams, corresponding with 10 to 25 milligrams psilocybin and psilocin, while about 2½ to 5 grams dried material or 25 to 50 milligrams of psilocybin/psilocin is considered a heavy dose. Fresh mushrooms are approximately 90% water. Exposure to heat generally breaks down the psychoactive ingredients. When eaten dry, 1 to 1.5 grams of mushrooms provide a small "trip" that can last up to 3 hours. The effects then are relatively mild, depending on the tolerance of the subject. With 3 to 3.5 grams one experiences a strong and solid trip which can last more than 5 hours.

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$20-$40 per 1/8 ounce. $150 - $250 per ounce.

Law
Psilocybin mushrooms are illegal in the United States because they contain psilocybin and psilocin which are specifically listed as illegal (Schedule I).

Active Ingredients
The primary effects of mushrooms come from several active alkaloids they contain; the most common are psilocybin, psilocin, and baeocystin. Psilocybin is a more stable compound than psilocin, but is broken down into psilocin after ingestion.

Production
Psilocybin containing mushrooms grow wild across the United States and in many countries around the world. There are also several species which are easily cultivated with a fairly simple and inexpensive setup. Most recreationally used mushrooms are cultivated rather than picked wild.

History
Psilocybe mushrooms have been used for thousands of years by Native Americans in Central and South America. The first european record of their use showed up in the 16th century writings of a Spanish priest who wrote about the Aztec's use of both mushrooms and peyote. In 1957, Wasson became the first in modern times to document and publish a description of his own experience (Life Magazine). The active ingredient of the mushrooms, psilocybin, was soon isolated and by the mid 60's mushrooms were being both studied and used recreationally. In 1968 possession of psilocybin mushrooms was made illegal in the United States.

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EFFECTS

Onset
Depending on how much and how recently one has eaten, Mushrooms generally takes 30-60 minutes (though sometimes as long as 2 hrs) to take effect.

Duration
The primary effects of magic mushrooms last for 4-6 hours when taken orally. For many people there is an additional period of time (2-6 hrs) where it is difficult to go to sleep and there is definitely a noticeable difference from everyday reality, but which is not strong enough to be considered 'tripping'.

The Experience
In the beginning stages of onset, Mushrooms are likely to cause a sort of undefineable feeling similar to anticipation or anxiety. There may be a feeling of energy in the body, and the sense that things are different than usual. As the effects intensify, a wide variety of perceptual changes may occur; pupil dilation, visuals, mental stimulation, new perspectives, feelings of insight, quickly changing emotions (lots of laughter), possible paranoia and confusion. More advanced users may seek spiritual awareness or a sense of universal understanding through their use of mushrooms. Closed-eye visuals are extremely common with psilocybin mushrooms. Open-eye visuals are common for some people and are more likely at higher doses.


PROBLEMS

Many people experience nausea and/or vomiting during mushroom experiences, epecially with higher doses. Other possible negative effects include anxiety and unwanted or frightening thoughts and visions. Mushrooms, though perhaps to a lesser degree than LSD, can precipitate strong, temporary changes in an individual's experience of life and reality. It can be a powerful psychoactive experience, especially at higher doses, which is significantly affected by experiences, set and setting. Recent experiences, especially strong ones, can have a substantial effect on a trip. Physically or psychologically unsettling events in the days before a Mushroom trip can blossom into more serious distress and trauma while tripping. It is important to be prepared for the possibility of encountering difficult or frightening mental states. The Psychedelic Crisis FAQ addresses some of the issues involved in dealing with a difficult trip.

Addiction Potential
Mushrooms are neither physically addicting nor likely to cause psychological dependance. Many people actually find that their desire to use mushrooms goes down for a period of time after use. As with all substances, some people will use them more frequently than they are comfortable with. There is a short period of tolerance after Mushroom use. Using Mushrooms two days in a row is likely to lead to a diminished experience the second day, though spaced 5-7 or more days apart, this effect is nearly non-existent.

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2006, 03:00:31 PM »

Magic mushrooms can induce mystical effects, study finds
By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
Published: 11 July 2006
A universal mystical experience with life-changing effects can be produced by the hallucinogen contained in magic mushrooms, scientists claim today.

Forty years after Timothy Leary, the apostle of drug-induced mysticism, urged his hippie followers to "tune in, turn on, and drop out", researchers at Johns Hopkins University, in Baltimore, Maryland, have for the first time demonstrated that mystical experiences can be produced safely in the laboratory. They say that there is no difference between drug-induced mystical experiences and the spontaneous religious ones that believers have reported for centuries. They are "descriptively identical".

And they argue that the potential of the hallucinogenic drugs, ignored for decades because of their links with illicit drug use in the 1960s, must be explored to develop new treatments for depression, drug addiction and the treatment of intolerable pain.

Anticipating criticism from church leaders, they say they are not interested in the "Does God exist?" debate. "This work can't and won't go there."

Interest in the therapeutic use of psychedelic drugs is growing around the world. In the UK, the Royal College of Psychiatrists debated their use at a conference in March for the first time in 30 years. A conference held in Basel, Switzerland, last January reviewed the growing psychedelic psychiatry movement.

The drug psilocybin is the active ingredient of magic mushrooms which grow wild in Wales and were openly sold in London markets until a change in the law last year.

For the US study, 30 middle-aged volunteers who had religious or spiritual interests attended two eight-hour drug sessions, two months apart, receiving psilocybin in one session and a non-hallucinogenic stimulant, Ritalin, in the other. They were not told which drug was which.

One third described the experience with psilocybin as the single most spiritually significant of their lifetimes and two thirds rated it among their five most meaningful experiences. Smiley
In more than 60 per cent of cases the experience qualified as a "full mystical experience" based on established psychological scales, the researchers say. Some likened it to the importance of the birth of their first child or the death of a parent.

The effects persisted for at least two months. Eighty per cent of the volunteers reported moderately or greatly increased well-being or life satisfaction. Relatives, friends and colleagues confirmed the changes.

The study is one of the first in the new discipline of "neurotheology" - the neurology of religious experience. The researchers, who report their findings in the online journal Psychopharmacology, say that their aim is to explore the possible benefits drugs like psilocybin can bring. Professor Roland Griffiths of the department of neuroscience and psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, said: "As a reaction to the excesses of the 1960s, human research with hallucinogens has been basically frozen in time.

"I had a healthy scepticism going into this. [But] under defined conditions, with careful preparation, you can safely and fairly reliably occasion what's called a primary mystical experience that may lead to positive changes in a person. It is an early step in what we hope will be a large body of scientific work that will ultimately help people."

A third of the volunteers became frightened during the drug sessions with some reporting feelings of paranoia. The researchers say psilocybin is not toxic or addictive, unlike alcohol and cocaine, but that volunteers must be accompanied throughout the experience by people who can help them through it.



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Drug's Mystical Properties Confirmed
By David Brown, Washington Post Staff Writer

USA -- Psilocybin, the active ingredient of "magic mushrooms," expands the mind. After a thousand years of use, that's now scientifically official. The chemical promoted a mystical experience in two-thirds of people who took it for the first time, according to a new study.

One-third rated a session with psilocybin as the "single most spiritually significant" experience of their lives. Another third put it in the top five.


"As a cancer survivor, I found that humor helped me deal with treatment. Unfortunately, some of my healthy counterparts had trouble with me laughing going through the ordeal. I'm glad to see I was not alone. Whether it be cancer or anything else, we can laugh about it or cry about it why cry?"

The study, published online today in the journal Psychopharmacology, is the first randomized, controlled trial of a substance used for centuries in Mexico and Central America to produce mystical insights. Almost no research on a psychedelic drug in human subjects has been done in this country since the 1960s. It confirms what both shamans and hippies have long said -- taking psilocybin is a scary, reality-bending and occasionally life-changing experience.

The researchers say they hope the experiment opens a door to the study of a class of compounds that alter human perception and erode the boundaries of self -- at least in some users. They hope it will provide new insight into how the brain works and what neurochemical events underlie moments of mystical rapture.

If the generally positive effects of the drug are confirmed by other studies, the research is likely to raise the question of whether people should be allowed access to psilocybin for self-improvement or recreation.

Rigorous study of these substances has been shunned since the 1960s, although it is not legally prohibited. Research on them was a casualty of the muddled mix of science and advocacy by people like Timothy Leary, the LSD guru and former Harvard psychologist once called the "most dangerous man in America" by President Richard M. Nixon.  Grin

"Our study has shown we can conduct a study of this type safely, and that the effects produced are really quite interesting," said Roland R. Griffiths of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, who ran the experiment. "There is a clear neuroscience agenda to understand those effects, and clear clinical applications that could be pursued."

Other brain researchers hailed the experiment as much for the fact that it was done at all as for its findings.

"These are some of the most potent compounds we know of that can change consciousness," said David E. Nichols, a professor of medicinal chemistry at Purdue University who has studied the effects of psychedelics on rats and cultured cells. "It's kind of peculiar they have just been kind of sitting on the shelf for 40 years. There is no other class of biologically active substances I am aware of that have been ignored like that."

The study, which involved 36 middle-aged adults from the Baltimore-Washington area, was conducted over five years. The subjects were chosen from 135 people who answered newspaper ads. All said they were members of a religious organization, practiced meditation or took part in other spiritual activity.

The study was designed to minimize the effects of anticipation and group enthusiasm, which might color a person's response. It also sought to examine the delayed, as well as immediate, effects of the drug.

The volunteers were randomly assigned to take either 30 milligrams of psilocybin (chemically synthesized, not extracted from mushrooms) or 40 milligrams of methylphenidate, the stimulant sold as Ritalin. The sessions lasted eight hours in a room where a person could listen to music, relax on a couch with eyeshades or talk with two monitors always in attendance. Each subject then took the other drug in a different session two months later.

Of the 36 people, 22 had a "complete" mystical experience as judged by several question-based scales used for rating such experiences. Two-thirds judged it to be among their top five life experiences, equal to the birth of a first child or death of a parent. Two months after a session, the people who had taken psilocybin reported small but significant positive changes in behavior and attitudes compared with those who had taken Ritalin.

One-third of the subjects, however, said they experienced "strong or extreme" fear at some point in the hours after they took the hallucinogen. Four people said the entire session was dominated by anxiety or psychological struggle.

Nichols thinks that last finding should give people pause.

"I think these drugs are potentially very dangerous," he said. "I would be very disappointed if in any sense these results were used to encourage recreational use of these compounds. I wouldn't want to take responsibility for anyone under unmonitored conditions coming up with those feelings."

Alan Leshner, who headed the National Institute on Drug Abuse for seven years and now leads the American Association for the Advancement of Science, was both wary and excited about psilocybin's reported effects.

"If it is ultimately shown to be benign but enriches people's lives, who could object to that? But I don't have that level of confidence at this point, given the paucity of research on it," he said.

A scholar of mysticism, G. William Barnard of Southern Methodist University, suspects that most mystical traditions would not object to the idea that a chemical could allow a person to tune into a preexisting state of consciousness, usually ignored, just as fasting, prayer, yoga and other activities can. But there is less enthusiasm for the idea that this kind of research will unlock the mechanism of mystical insight.

"Most people I suspect would say that the neurochemistry is not the full cause of these experiences," he said.

Note: 36 Area Adults Took Psilocybin in Study; Many Called Experience Spiritual.


Source: Washington Post (DC)
Author: David Brown, Washington Post Staff Writer
Published: Tuesday, July 11, 2006; Page A08
Copyright: 2006 Washington Post
Contact: letterstoed@washpost.com
Website: http://www.washingtonpost.com/
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2006, 03:02:32 PM »

all i can say is this:

1). WHY DONT THEY EVER CALL ME FOR THESE STUDIES???  Angry Angry 

2). The first shroom trip i ever had, i had an out-of-body experience and it was WITHOUT A DOUBT one of the top 5 experiences in my life...the others... getting high for the first time, getting laid for the first time, and one other shroom trip with two friends, took 5g and had the most amazing experience ever, and the fifth best experience...well thats to come  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2006, 03:36:00 PM »

I was really amazed by this article...and I have read it a couple of times and it's a good article..
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2006, 03:38:53 PM »

For the US study, 30 middle-aged volunteers who had religious or spiritual interests attended two eight-hour drug sessions, two months apart, receiving psilocybin in one session and a non-hallucinogenic stimulant, Ritalin, in the other. They were not told which drug was which.

So the US gov't dishes out shrooms to 30 people and speed, yet won't allow Lyle Cracker at the U. of Amherst to grow marijuana to do tests with it.  Fucking bullshit
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 03:50:22 PM »

They dont want to have any reason to make marijauna legal they already know it should be they just dont want to...
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2006, 04:26:57 PM »

They dont want to have any reason to make marijauna legal they already know it should be they just dont want to...

I hate greed, it controls peoples minds...if they werent making tons of money off the war on drugs it would have ended years ago
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2006, 04:36:54 PM »

Greed and power...the devil's advocates..if you believe he exists...
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2008, 10:53:12 PM »

Today was my lucky day.  A friend called me around 8:15 this morning and wanted to know if he could stop over.  Told him to come on over and he showed up about 20 minutes later.  Turns out his joib just started to drug test.  He's got a big job, making big money, and doesn't want to take any chances so he's getting rid of everything.  About 3 ounces of weed, most of which he had gotten from me, pipes, papers, and a bunch of mushrooms he had just bought.  He gave it all to me.  Shocked    Grin

Back in the day I did my share of acid and peyote, but never any mushrooms.  Now, at my advanced age, I get free mushrooms.  My wife has only done acid once but is curious to try the schrooms.  How much should we eat and what's the best way to take it?  There are 3 baggies with about 5 in each.  They are about an inch in diameter and half an inch thick.  I know the potency will vary but what's a good amount for a couple old timers?


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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2008, 11:55:27 PM »

Wow, that's some good loot - you must have good karma Smiley

From my experience with mushrooms, they are very potent, and get pretty intense. As long as you go in with a positive attitude you'll do fine. With all your experience, I'm sure you're comfortable with that feeling of losing control, which is one of the problems some people face.

I'd say the best way of ingesting, if you can, is orally, the old fashioned way. A word of warning, they taste like crap. I've chewed them enough times that I can barely stand the smell of any mushrooms anymore, let alone the special ones. If you start eating, and decide you can't make it through the lot without gagging, peanut butter masks it very well. I usually just pack some into a glob of peanut butter on a spoon and chew it for a while. Mushrooms should be well-chewed for optimal effects. If straight peanut butter would gum up your mouth too much for your liking, a nice PB and J sandwich would do the trick, or eating them with some nuts, like cashews.

I would recommend around 3 grams, for a first time around. You'll get a nice trip, and won't feel like you didn't get enough out of it. Based on your experience though, maybe you want to step it up a little, but that's all up to you of course. Your wife may want to take a smaller dose if she's not as familiar with the 'other world', so to speak. Caps are 'better' than stems, from all that I've heard, so maybe a 50/50 mix would be a good idea, just so you don't end up with a pile of stems that you'll have to eat later.

The usual guidelines apply to mushroom trips; mellow lights and music, unplug the phone and doorbell etc. You're fortunate enough to have a great property, so you'll be able to fully appreciate the great outdoors, which as you know is just wonderful beyond words when you're tripping.  All of that is just a matter of preference though, so there's not a lot to mention there. You're also significantly older than me and have been around the block, so most of this you may already know, and I'm just rambling. Either way, I just want to help and ensure you and your wife have the safest, most enjoyable trip possible.

That's about it I believe. Please visit http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml. Erowid is a fantastic resource that I rely on for help with any psychoactive, and it may be able to provide you with more information if you're interested. There are also a number of veterans on these forums that I'm sure know more than myself, so they can hopefully be a good reference for you as well.

Happy tripping indeed! I'm very excited for you and I hope you have a great time. Let us know how you enjoy it.

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2008, 01:36:02 AM »

Yup it was definitely your lucky day. I have to agree with divisionbell and please give us a trip report.

I find a shroom trip to be much more emotional in nature and acid visual.

Have a good trip.  Grin

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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2008, 07:41:58 AM »

Thanks for all the info.  Just the other night my wife and I were talking and she asked me if I would ever do acid again if the opportunity presented itself.  She was surprised when I told her that I would, just for old times sake.  Also told her the peyote would be even better.  Then, 2 days later, I get these mushrooms.  I'm looking forward to taking them and would like to this weekend, but unfortunately she has to work so I'm thinking 4th of July would be perfect.  The last time I tripped, on acid, was at a West, Bruce, and Lang concert at Radio City Music Hall in NYC in 1974!

I like the peanut butter idea.  I do not like the taste and texture of mushrooms so that sounds like a good way to get them down. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2008, 01:07:07 PM »

Ive done shrooms a couple of times.  When I first got them, they were real good ones from Cali.  I only took half a cut and tripped balls.  Then another time, we took 2.2 grams and my stomach ended up hurting so bad that I thought I was going to die.  After that experience, didnt take them for months, only took acid then.  But once that source died, we recently found a new one.  Ate half a cut of "gold cap" shrooms, and barely tripped.  I was like wtf.  So couple weeks later at Senior week, I ate a whole cut and didnt trip at all...  So I dont recommend gold caps...

But it depends on how good the shrooms are.  I would say start out with a half cut of a mix of stems and caps.  After an hour or two, if your not feeling like your tripping enough, take another half cut but its up to you.

But it is all about set and setting.  Make sure your in a comfortable place.  Every time I start to get a paranoia attack, you just have to tell yourself your tripping balls and thats whats suppose to happen so enjoy it.

Also, I dont find them to taste that bad.  I can chew them straight up and be fine.  But if your taknig them on an empty stomach to make them more potent, make sure you eventually eat because you will get the worst stomach pains.  I mean like I thought I was gonna shit my pants at any moment...

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2008, 03:26:35 PM »

I like the peanut butter idea.  I do not like the taste and texture of mushrooms so that sounds like a good way to get them down. 

How shrooms work: Psilocybin is the most abundant tryptamine in Psilocybe mushrooms and has been present in concentrations ranging from 0.36% in P. stuntzii to 0.98% in P. semilanceata . However, after ingestion it is rapidly dephosphorylated by the enzyme alkaline phosphatase in the intestine. Thus, it is the metabolite psilocin which is thought to be responsible for hallucinations and psychological effects. Sourcehttp://www.shroomery.org/6297/Psilocybe-Toxicity-Information

There are a couple of other ways to ingest shrooms without the taste. I perfer putting all my shrooms in a blender and mixing them to a powder. I do this for two reasons one every flush you have when growing shrooms are different in their potency once mixed every dose by weight has the same potency. Two i like making tea and encapsulating them.

Making "lemon" tea is the quickest way to trip. This is due to the acid in the lemons will dephosphorylate the psilocybin into psilocin before it reaches your stomach onset is reduced from an hour to fifteen minutes. If you encapsulate them it takes normal hour plus the time it takes for the capsules to dissolve.

Lemon tea bring  water to a boil add the powdered shrooms to a thermos add boiling water and the juice from  oneor two  lemons. Let sit covered for 10 to 15 minutes give it a shake or stir once or twice. Cover mugs tops with a coffee filter and pour into mugs. Add honey to taste and enjoy.

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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 04:35:16 PM »

There are a couple of other ways to ingest shrooms without the taste. I perfer putting all my shrooms in a blender and mixing them to a powder. I do this for two reasons one every flush you have when growing shrooms are different in their potency once mixed every dose by weight has the same potency. Two i like making tea and encapsulating them.

Making "lemon" tea is the quickest way to trip. This is due to the acid in the lemons will dephosphorylate the psilocybin into psilocin before it reaches your stomach onset is reduced from an hour to fifteen minutes. If you encapsulate them it takes normal hour plus the time it takes for the capsules to dissolve.


Blending them and making tea sounds even better than the peanut butter. 

I just measured them and there are 12 grams.  The wife wants a mild dose so that should be plenty for her and I to trip out twice. 

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